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Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby ccarroll on Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:38 pm

Any advice on buying a tree for a small backyard? I nkow what I want, but apparently the kind of tree I have in mind doesn't exist.

I'm looking for something that:
-would be leafy and green to provide some shade
-would have leaves that look like leaves - not like needles, not shrubby, not gray
-would not grow too fast or too large, because of power lines in back
-would not require much care or water (just a weekly sprinkling)
-would not shed tons of leaves and buds all over seasonally

Does anyone know trees that fit this profile? I've asked around to various gardeners and nurseries, but everything they suggest seems to have a drawback. This is the first time I've bought a tree, as you can probably tell.
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby Jellybean on Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:02 pm

Because you want something low maintenance in this environment of ours, you will want to stick with the native desert plants like the Palo Verde or Mesquite, but those are very messy and can get quite large if you don't stay on top of pruning. Nor do they have leaves that look like leaves. This is because it's a survival adaptation to our brutal summers. Less leaf real-estate means less evaporation and they can survive the summers without a ton of additional watering. It's also the reason the Palo Verde trees shed leaves and branches in the summer. Water conservation = survival.

If you want something that looks like a traditional northern tree, you will have to prepare yourself that you will need to water the sucker a lot so it doesn't fry in the heat, especially during the first summer or two until it can establish its root system. Think long super-deep watering to establish the roots. You will have to accept that trying to make a non-native species grow in the desert requires work and go into it with that mindset. Also, be prepared that these trees will probably shed a lot of leaves in the hot summer regardless and they may die even if you baby them. There are some lovely citrus trees that do well in our climate and don't get very large, but they require a lot of water and the fruit can be messy.

We are currently experimenting with some Sour Orange and Ficus Columns as large shrubbery to shade some south facing walls and green up some harsh spots in our yard. We plan on keeping them trimmed to around 10-12 feet high but they can both get much larger. The ficus has had a rough summer and has required extensive deep watering in addition to the drip timers but is still alive (yay!) but the Sour Orange has been thriving in the heat. We had to throw shade cloth over the baby lime and tangerine trees we planted in the spring because the sun was roasting them to death.

All in all, there are no perfect trees and you will have to decide what is most important, the shady leafy look or low maintenance, because you won't get both in Phoenix. If that still isn't acceptable, you may want to look into giant plastic fake trees. They probably won't shed and you won't have to water them :)
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby PixelPixie on Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:43 pm

Check out Fan Tex Ash, it is a native to the desert southwest

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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby MrX on Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:01 pm

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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby tom on Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:10 am

X2 on Ash trees; they do well here and look great. They drop their leaves once a year and usually bud within a few weeks.
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby ccarroll on Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:38 pm

No, as I said, I do not want something messy nor anythign that requires a great deal of care or watering. Palo verdes give me the creeps with that green trunk, on top of the other problems. I think the fan tex ash and raywood ash were among those recommended, but I can't remember the problem - maybe they got too big? But I'll take another look, thanks.

I forgot to mention that I did see my ideal tree - sissoo - which looks perfect. But it's too big. I'd have to make it smoke cigarettes or something to stunt its growth.
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby bcordova34 on Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:36 am

You might want to look at Anacacho Orchid tree (Bauhinia lunarioides). Its a small tree around 10' with white to pink flowers. Hong Kong Orchid (Bauhinia blakeana) is a larger tree with red to purple flowers.
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby KARLITO on Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:32 pm

I'm looking for something that:
-would be leafy and green to provide some shade
-would have leaves that look like leaves - not like needles, not shrubby, not gray
-would not grow too fast or too large, because of power lines in back
-would not require much care or water (just a weekly sprinkling)
-would not shed tons of leaves and buds all over seasonally

Some of the qualities you want in a tree are very un-treelike! Any tree in the desert will require regular deep soakings for the first 2 or 3 years untill it's well established. At that point if you went with an appropriate choice (a native) you will only have to water in cases of severe drought. No tree will live with a weekly sprinkling of water in this climate. So, how about a dessert willow? "Real" leaves PLUS purple & white flowers, not to much litter, not too large but can be a good shade tree with proper pruning. Sorry no pic but this is a pretty common tree.
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby KARLITO on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:58 am

Just "discovered" an awesome tree that is both native to the southwest & a real bad ass back east looking tree too! Celtis Reticulata aka western/canyon/netleaf hackberry:
http://ag.arizona.edu/pima/gardening/ar ... ulata.html
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Re: Desert tree suggestions for a novice?

Postby Brock on Thu May 12, 2011 4:00 pm

Warning: Argentine mesquite has super large thorns and drops thousands of pea pods.
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